Hope Even Though There Is No Pre Tribulation Rapture: 2

Hope Even Though There Is No Pre Tribulation Rapture

Daniel Shows Us That There Is No Pre Tribulation Rapture

The Apostles Weren't Looking For A Pre Tribulation Rapture

The Damaging Theory Of A Pre Tribulation Rapture

Does Revelation 19:6-9 Show Us A Rapture?

Does 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8 Show Us A Rapture?

Does Luke 17:26-30 Show Us A Rapture?

Does Mark 17:34-37 Show Us A Rapture?

Does Revelation 4:1 Show Us A Rapture?

Is There A Pre Tribulation Rapture? Part 3

Is There A Pre-Tribulation Rapture? Part 2

Is There A Pre-Tribulation Rapture? Part 1

Jesus Returns As A Thief

Jesus will return like a thief. You ever hear this preached when someone is talking about a pre-tribulation rapture? They say that Jesus will sneak in and take His Bride. The question is this true? Does Jesus return quietly as a thief and then take His Bride away and the world continue on?

For you yourselves know perfectly well that the day of the [return of the] Lord will come [as unexpectedly and suddenly] as a thief in the night. When people are saying, All is well and secure, and, There is peace and safety, then in a moment unforeseen destruction (ruin and death) will come upon them as suddenly as labor pains come upon a woman with child; and they shall by no means escape, for there will be no escape. 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will vanish (pass away) with a thunderous crash, and the [material] elements [of the universe] will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up. 2 Peter 3:10

The lie of a pre-tribulation rapture goes like this. Jesus will return as a thief, snatch His Bride away and the world will go on for another seven years. The lie tells us that for the first three and a half years after we are gone there will be peace. We are told that there will be peace until the anti-christ is revealed and then for three and a half years there will be great tribulation. 

As you can see in these verses, Jesus will return and when He does the world does not go on peacefully. Just imagine if only 1% of the worlds population, all Holy Ghost filled, were taken away in a single moment. Do you think that there would be peace if 70 million people would be gone instantly? In 2013 the population of the world is estimated to be 7.1 billion people, now imagine 50% of them being taken away. Why do I ask you to think of 50%?

Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish (thoughtless, without forethought) and five were wise (sensible, intelligent, and prudent). Matthew 25:1-2

Jesus tells us in His parable of the Ten Virgins that when the Bride Groom returns, half, five of the ten virgins, will be filled with the Holy Spirit. Jesus did not say one, or two of them, He tells us five, which is half. So imagine 3.5 billion Holy Ghost filled people, from every tribe, tongue, and nation, being taken off the earth in a single moment. There is no way that there would be peace for three and a half years. The world and society would crumble, just as we are told that they will in 1 Thessalonians 5 and 2 Peter 3. The Truth is that the Bride will be caught up to be with Jesus and it will be at the end of the Great Tribulation not at its beginning. Then when we are, Jesus instantly returns and takes over the rule and reign of the earth.  

End of Times Matthew 24:40-41

40 At that time two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.

41 Two women will be grinding at the hand mill; one will be taken and one will be left.

So often in my life I have heard these verses used to say that there is a pre-tribulation rapture. However, this parable is also told to us in Luke 17. In Luke the disciples ask Jesus specifically where these people would be taken.

Then they asked Him, Where, Lord? He said to them, Wherever the dead body is, there will the vultures or eagles be gathered together. Luke 17:37

Jesus tells the disciples that the ones who are taken will be taken to Armageddon.  

And the rest were killed with the sword that issues from the mouth of Him Who is mounted on the horse, and all the birds fed ravenously and glutted themselves with their flesh. Revelation 19:21

Let them grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will say to the reapers, Gather the darnel first and bind it in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my granary. Matthew 13:30

Now let’s get into some meat here. Many of us believe that the people destroyed at Armageddon are people who took the Mark of the Beast. We believe this because of Revelation 19:20, where it tells us that those who take the Mark of the Beast will be destroyed at Armageddon. But what exactly is the Mark of the Beast? We are told that if we take this Mark, we will be destroyed. We are told that there is no coming back from it once we accept it, Revelation 14:9-10. But the Word never tells us exactly what it is? Go and look in the scriptures, you will not find a definitive description of the Mark of the Beast? I use to guess at what it was, but the Word never tells us plainly. Isn’t it funny that our Father tells us that if we take the Mark, then we are doomed, but then He never tells us what it is?  Could you imagine me telling my kids that if they committed the act of ABC then they would be cast out from my home and never be allowed back in, but I never tell them what the act of ABC is? I would be a terrible parent for placing such fear in my kids. So why would our Father not tell us plainly what this unforgivable act of taking the Mark is? Our Father is not about fear, He is about Love, 1 John 4:8. 

Think about this, who are we told about in the Bible that cannot be forgiven? The answer is the fallen angels, Hebrews 2:16. Where exactly are these fallen angels now? We are told in Revelation 12:9 that they are here on the earth. So do angels look like people? They sure do. In Hebrews 13:2 we are told that we may be entertaining them and be unaware of it. In Genesis 6 we are told that angels actually had children with the daughters of men. So the fallen angels are down here right now and they look like men. 

Darnel, or another word for darnel is a tare, is a false wheat. It looks like wheat, but it produces no fruit. A tare is not a wheat that has gone bad, it has always been a tare. Wheat is wheat and a tare is a tare. The tares are gathered first at Armageddon because they took the Mark of the Beast. We are never told what the Mark of the Beast is, but we are told that a third of the angels did side with satan and that they cannot be forgiven. We are told that the angels are here on the earth right now. We are told that they have mated with men and we are told that we can actually see them. 

So what I am coming to believe is that the Mark of the Beast cannot be taken by humans, but only by angels. If humans could take the Mark of the Beast, then wouldn’t our Father plainly tell us what it was? This study could go on for days. I just wanted to start the discussion here. But I believe, and this is just what I believe, and I share the scriptures constantly as to why I believe this way, is that the ones taken first are the fallen angels that have been living amongst us. They took the Mark of the Beast when they sided with satan and they are being delivered to their doom at Armageddon. If you believe differently that is alright. I use to believe differently. The Holy Spirit however will bring us to a clear understanding of what the actually Mark is, amen. 

End of Times Matthew 24:28

28 Wherever there is a fallen body (a corpse), there the vultures (or eagles) will flock together.

I want to study on the false doctrine of a pre-tribulation rapture here. Jesus tells us that where the fallen bodies are is where the vultures will be gathered. In Revelation 19:21 John is shown that the birds will be gathered together to consume the flesh of those who will be killed at Armageddon, which happens right before Jesus returns to the earth. In Matthew 13 Jesus tells us that the darnel, or the weeds, will be gathered first and then the wheat.

Let them grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will say to the reapers, Gather the darnel first and bind it in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my granary. Matthew 13:30

Notice that Jesus does not tell us that the wheat, or the children of God are gathered first, but that the children of satan are, Matthew 13:38-43. Also let’s look at the following five verses. 

Take notice! I tell you a mystery (a secret truth, an event decreed by the hidden purpose or counsel of God). We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed (transformed). In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the [sound of the] last trumpet call. For a trumpet will sound, and the dead [in Christ] will be raised imperishable (free and immune from decay), and we shall be changed (transformed). 1 Corinthians 15:51-52

The seventh angel then blew [his] trumpet, and there were mighty voices in heaven, shouting, The dominion (kingdom, sovereignty, rule) of the world has now come into the possession and become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ (the Messiah), and He shall reign forever and ever (for the eternities of the eternities)! Revelation 11:15

For this we declare to you by the Lord's [own] word, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord shall in no way precede [into His presence] or have any advantage at all over those who have previously fallen asleep [in Him in death]. 1 Thessalonians 4:15

The Word tells us that the children of satan are gathered first, not the children of God. The Word tells us that the dead in Christ will be raised first, not those that are alive in Him. The Word tells us that those of us who are alive in Christ shall in no way precede those who are dead in Him. Finally the Word tells us that at the sound of the Seventh Trumpet, the last trumpet, Jesus returns. For all of these verses to be true, there cannot be a pre-tribulation rapture. If there was a pre tribulation rapture, the alive in Christ would precede the dead in Him. Also Jesus tells us plainly that He will raise us up on the last day, not seven years before it.

And this is the will of Him Who sent Me, that I should not lose any of all that He has given Me, but that I should give new life and raise [them all] up at the last day. John 6:39

There is no pre-tribulation rapture. It is a false teaching that will allow many to believe that the anti-christ will not be the anti-christ, because they believe that they will be taken away before he can be revealed. 

Revelation 14;19-20 Part 2

19 So the angel swung his scythe on the earth and stripped the grapes and gathered the vintage from the vines of the earth and cast it into the huge winepress of God's indignation and wrath. 

20 And [the grapes in] the winepress were trodden outside the city, and blood poured from the winepress, [reaching] as high as horses' bridles, for a distance of 1,600 stadia (about 200 miles).

Jesus tells us in Matthew and Luke about the end times.

Let them grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will say to the reapers, Gather the darnel first and bind it in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my granary. Matthew 13:30

I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left. There will be two women grinding together; one will be taken and the other will be left. Luke 17:34-35

Then they asked Him, Where, Lord? He said to them, Wherever the dead body is, there will the vultures or eagles be gathered together. Luke 17:37

Jesus tells us that the tares, or the darnel, will be first gathered. Jesus then tells us that the tares who are taken will be taken to where the vultures are gathered together to consume their dead bodies. 

And the rest were killed with the sword that issues from the mouth of Him Who is mounted on the horse, and all the birds fed ravenously and glutted themselves with their flesh. Revelation 19:21

The Holy Spirit has me talk about the lie of the pre-tribulation rapture a lot. There has been a common theme that people use with me over the years regarding the pre-tribulation rapture and it is that it doesn’t matter. They say that if they are here, great, God is with them, and if they are gone, great, because God is with them. But the Truth is what set's us free and the Truth is that Jesus tells us that the tares, not the wheat, are first gathered. This Truth will set us free because it gives us the hope of being used by our Father in such a powerful way during the end times. Faith comes for us from hearing the Truth. We need faith, authored and finished by Jesus, to actually desire to be used to serve those in need at His return.

There is going to be a great falling away during the end times. I believe that this is because people who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture will still believe that it is coming. So they will think that the anti-christ is not the anti-christ, because they are still here on the earth. They will not abandon church, they will flood to the anti-christ’s church. They will marvel at his speech and the miracles that he performs. All because they will still believe in a rapture that is not coming. They will hate us because we will be telling them the Truth, while they are seeing the anti-christ’s miracles. They will be thinking of themselves, that is what believing in a pre-tribulation rapture does. Wanting a rapture causes people think about taking care of themselves and not others. The world needs us now, how much more will they need us during the end times? 

Let the Truth of the scriptures set you free to have the faith to desire to be used mightily during the end times; the time when the lost need us the most. Desire to think of others above yourself. The Holy Spirit will use the Truth of our Father’s Word to give you the mind of Christ, the Mind that doesn’t worry about suffering for the well being of other’s. 

Revelation 13:8

8 And all the inhabitants of the earth will fall down in adoration and pay him homage, everyone whose name has not been recorded in the Book of Life of the Lamb that was slain [in sacrifice] from the foundation of the world. 

Everyone will worship the anti-christ, everyone except those who have been sealed by the Holy Spirit, those who have been empowered, and those who are chosen to be one with Jesus. We are one with our Father and our Father bows to no one. We are God’s body, empowered with our Father’s Strength; we will be lights shinning brightly on the sides of the hills. We will still be the salt of the earth even during the Great Tribulation, Matthew 5:13. We will still lay hands on the sick and they will recover, the gifts of the Spirit will operate through us in their full power and demonstration for all to see, Mark 16:15.

Now here is an interesting point, Jesus shows us that there is a book called the Lamb’s Book of Life and we are also shown in Revelation 3:5, and several other places in the New Testament,   that there is also a Book of Life. I have always heard that the two Books are the same. But the more that our Father shows me I believe that there are two distinct Books: One For the Bride of Christ and one for the Guests of the Bride. I believe that those who are called to be the Bride have their names in both books, but the Guests of our’s only have their names in the Book of Life. These people will not be able to see the Truth that the anti-christ is actually wrong. He will look and sound so right. They will see miracles and very amazing things. They will believe the lie, but I honestly do not believe that it is just so that our Father can get even with them for what they have or have not done. I believe that it is to bring them to a point of true repentance. It will be a disciplining, but what our Father allows to happen will be out of love and it will bring in the Truth for all to see. 

Many of these people will even have to go to Hades to be further disciplined, but I honestly believe that in the end, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord and that they will be saved, Romans 14:11. Everyone will confess the Truth. The death of our flesh does not stop our Father from working on us to see the Truth that will set us free.  Jesus went to Hades once before and preached to the disobedient and set them free, 1 Peter 3:19-21. Why would He not do it again? Our Father wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the Truth, 1 Timothy 2:4. The Bible shows us one thing very clearly and it is that our Father gets what He wants! So we have been given the hope, that will not disappoint us, Romans 5:5, that our Father will do whatever it takes to keep us all from Hell. He will do this even though we are weak, even though we are ignorant, and regardless of our abilities to accepts and believe it! That is just how powerful Jesus’ sacrifice is for us all. 

This is also another great verse that teaches us that there is no pre-tribulation rapture. Notice how there are those who are still on the earth whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life who do not worship the anti-christ. If there was a rapture of the Church, then why are these people still here. Our Father left some of the Bride while taking others? Or He left those who are new to being the Bride here while taking away all of the older ones?

Revelation 11:11-14

11 But after three and a half days, by God's gift the breath of life again entered into them, and they rose up on their feet, and great dread and terror fell on those who watched them. 

For those who believe that the two witnesses are symbolic, and that they represent the Word of God, let me ask you this question, our Father has to breathe life back into His eternal Word? And as soon as our Father revives His eternal Word, He lifts it up to Heaven? Also, would people really be aware and celebrate the death of the Word after just 3 1/2 days of it not being around. Think of what is going on here at this time: death, war, diseases, inflation, and complete misery. Would the wicked be able to see or even recognize the Word was resurrected to fear?

But if these two are men, men who had spoken about the misery and it came to pass, and the world had seen them actually die and celebrated their death, think of how they will fear when these two are raised up. I just can not believe that our Father’s Word can ever be dead.

12 Then [the two witnesses] heard a strong voice from heaven calling to them, Come up here! And before the very eyes of their enemies they ascended into heaven in a cloud. [II Kings 2:11.] 

People will use this as a verse in an attempt to confirm that there are many raptures during the Great Tribulation. But this represents the only rapture, because as we are going to read in verse 15, right when these two are raised, the rule of the earth will be given to Jesus. This is when all of the dead in Christ will be raised up with all of those who are alive in Him. Both groups of saints will be caught up with the two witnesses to be transformed to be like Jesus. These two are raised up from the dead right along with everyone else who has ever died and who was saved. 

13 And at that [very] hour there was a tremendous earthquake and one tenth of the city was destroyed (fell); seven thousand people perished in the earthquake, and those who remained were filled with dread and terror and were awe-struck, and they glorified the God of heaven. 

Jerusalem is rocked by a great earthquake right before Jesus returns, just as it was when Jesus was crucified. The people left on the earth have seen these two witnesses lying dead for 3 1/2 days; they celebrated their killing and now they see them raised up. They also see the graves busting open and they see the alive in Christ being raised up to their glorified state. And when they see this, they see Jesus coming in the Sky. As Jesus left, He is returning, and all men see Him. Of course they will glorify God! They will glorify our Father with their amazement and wonder. They will have to confess that Jesus is right there and look at all of the people with Him. 

14 The second woe (calamity) has passed; now the third woe is speedily to come. 

Remember that the angel, who proclaimed that the three woes were coming, stated that the woes will effect the entire earth. The first woe was the Abyss being opened and allowing men to be tormented and vexed for five months. We were shown that the unsealed would seek death, but they would not find it. The second woe was the four angels being released from their holding place along the Euphrates River to kill a third of all of mankind. And the third woe is Jesus returning to the earth and the great battle of Armageddon, a battle that will kill off millions of people who are gathered together by our Father at Jerusalem to rage war against Him. The Blood of the dead will flow as high as a horses bridle at Armageddon, and for hundreds of square miles. It will be the final battle and it will happen with lightning speed!

Revelation 7:10

10 In loud voice they cried, saying, [Our] salvation is due to our God, Who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb [to Them we owe our deliverance]! 

Our salvation is due to Jesus and our Father intense love for us. Here is a great place to study exactly what the benefits of Salvation are according to the Strong’s Concordance, 4991, the Greek word Soteria: 

+Deliverance, preservation, safety, salvation. 

+Deliverance from the molestation of enemies. 

+In an ethical sense, that which concludes to the souls safety or salvation. 

+Salvation as the present possession of all true Christians. 

+Future salvation, the sum of benefits and blessings which the Christians, redeemed from all earthly ills, will enjoy after the visible return of Christ from heaven in the consummated and eternal kingdom of God. 

+Fourfold salvation: saved from the penalty, power, presence and most importantly the pleasure of sin.

Salvation is a gift from our Father, so all of these benefits of salvation are a gift from Him as well. We have seen the Truth that our Father never takes His gifts back, Romans 11:29, so all of these benefits of salvation are in full effect even during the Great Tribulation.

The 144,000 Jewish witnesses give Jesus credit for having salvation. They have exactly what we have in Christ right now. Some people have tried and tell me that these 144,000 have something different then our salvation, that somehow they are better then us, they don’t and they aren’t. These are just chosen Jewish witnesses that are called to preach the Truth during the Great Tribulation. They have no more and no less salvation than any true believer has. Our Father is no respecter of persons, Acts 10:34.

Keep in mind that Jesus has shown us twice so far in Revelation, that we have been sealed before any harm can come on the world. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit and that allows us to be saved from all of the instruments of our Father’s wrath that are being poured out by the Four Winds. We will be delivered, preserved, and safe from all of our Father’s wrath while we are on this earth. We do not have to be in Heaven to be safe. The Truth that we are still around and that there hasn’t been a pre-tribulation rapture will become clearer and clearer as we study on. 

The Truth will set us free. And peace will come from the Truth of how exactly our Father will use those of us who are around during this time. It will actually be an honor and a privilege to be used in the power of our Father’s Spirit, when the world needs the chosen ones of God the most! Love does not want to run from those who are in need. Love wants to stay and help. Love wants to preach the Truth and offer grace when sin is abounding and we have now been made to be perfect in our Father’s Love.